Hey Les, 32 bit, I will not touch 64 bit until everything is 64 bit, I might have to change my mind once I start using my new orchestral instrument but more than likely I will find a work around.

 

I just don't want the hassle of this works with that but you can't use that and that is how I feel 64bit is now.  Another way to put it, is when I begun, the technology didn't quite work, so they all migrated to Pro Tools because of their  software/hardware deal.  it's a lot eaiser to make the system work because there are less variables to go wrong.

 

I also look at 64 bit as a step back, because of the above reason.  At the moment because of the power I have at my finger tips and I started with a Pentium 3 with Logic 4 in 2000, I have not had the need to use 16 gig of ram, at the moment the only benifit of 64 bit.  As I say once I start using my orchestral instrumet this may all change but I will probabaly stick with finding work around.

 

I digress: this is a step backwards because at the moment I can fire up my "studio" and start work just like a pro, with 64 bit my understang and belief is were back at the start again were it almost works but this program won't work because its not 64 and we run a 64 bit operating system.  Also I think there is a 64 bit rewire problem in Sonar at the moment, you can see my point.  Why bother with hassal, when what I have works.

 

Until everything is 64 bit, I will stay with 32 bit.

 

Sorry rambling again.

 

Peace Ben

It's only drivers that seem to need a special 64 bit version.

I haven't come across any programs that won't run under it. 

Dr.Hash said:

I also look at 64 bit as a step back, because of the above reason.  At the moment because of the power I have at my finger tips and I started with a Pentium 3 with Logic 4 in 2000, I have not had the need to use 16 gig of ram, at the moment the only benifit of 64 bit.  As I say once I start using my orchestral instrumet this may all change but I will probabaly stick with finding work around.

 

It seems you misunderstand what 64-bit means. It means that your data bus is now 64-bits wide, rather than 32-bits wide. For example, you can fetch 8 bytes of data in a single clock cycle, whereas with 32 bits you could only fetch 4 at a time. So the performance increases significantly when you are processing large amounts of data from RAM.

 

I've been using 64-bit for a year now and have not had and problems with it. Drivers were all updated a long time ago to 64-bit (when Vista arrived) and readily available. UAD plugins work fine, and they are only 32 bit. Many other plugins and VSTi's are now 64-bit and work fine.

 

I'd disagree that it is a step back. It is a significant step forward, as was super-scalar processing. You are going to have to perform a major upgrade at some point to move to 64-bit, when 32-bit OS's are discontinued.

Plus the bonus of heaps of memory!

Memory is so cheap now you have to max it out. 

LogicprObe said:

Plus the bonus of heaps of memory!

Memory is so cheap now you have to max it out. 

The additional address space is a byproduct of the upgrade in device. It would still be possible to address larger spaces with a 32-bit processor. The 32 bit data bus does not restrict the address bus to 32 bits.

However it is easier to add more address lines and expand the instruction set to include 64-bit pointers.

I was thinking along the lines of Windows only allowing you about 3.7GB in their 32 bit O/S.

It's an architecture thing, not dependent on the OS. Linux, BSD, OSX all have the same limitations on the same architecture.

Worse still, as I found out when using the 32-bit architecture, is that each UAD-1e card consumes 256MB of address space. Put 4 of these into the system and you are another 1GB down on addressable memory.

Now, with the 64-bit architecture I can have 16GB RAM and the 4 UAD-1e cards in without losing RAM address space.

Geoff said:

Dr.Hash said:

I also look at 64 bit as a step back, because of the above reason.  At the moment because of the power I have at my finger tips and I started with a Pentium 3 with Logic 4 in 2000, I have not had the need to use 16 gig of ram, at the moment the only benifit of 64 bit.  As I say once I start using my orchestral instrumet this may all change but I will probabaly stick with finding work around.

 

It seems you misunderstand what 64-bit means. It means that your data bus is now 64-bits wide, rather than 32-bits wide. For example, you can fetch 8 bytes of data in a single clock cycle, whereas with 32 bits you could only fetch 4 at a time. So the performance increases significantly when you are processing large amounts of data from RAM.

 

I've been using 64-bit for a year now and have not had and problems with it. Drivers were all updated a long time ago to 64-bit (when Vista arrived) and readily available. UAD plugins work fine, and they are only 32 bit. Many other plugins and VSTi's are now 64-bit and work fine.

 

I'd disagree that it is a step back. It is a significant step forward, as was super-scalar processing. You are going to have to perform a major upgrade at some point to move to 64-bit, when 32-bit OS's are discontinued.

Sorry too return to the conversation so late, I usually knock off at 5:30, I understand the the semantics Geoff and I think we are talking about throughput but I still cannot agree that it's safe to go to 64 bit.

 

Ok I know that you are a computer whizz or that is how it seams and I am cool with that, I am a hack at best and I have looked to you and others to verify some of the more outlandish claims.

 

64 bit on paper is the way to go but, and I know you say UAD runs fine, this runs fine but I have heard that there are problems with both bitbridges, which for those of you in the know is what allows you to run 32 bit plugs in a 64 bit system.

 

Ok so here is problem one and it reminds me of the day's when and we still do in Sonar use a VST wrapper so VST will work in Sonar, now they have perfected that technology, it only took 10 years.  You are seeing where I am going with this, yea??

 

Another problem will be leagacy stuff, you know the real old stuff, that I still use to this day, the specktral transformer, that came with Project 5, the UI doesn't work properly, now so how will it cope with bit bridge.

 

Another big argument is Pro Tools, they still are a 32 bit program.

 

I get it Geoff 64 bit is the way to go but until the technology is safe, it's like we are back in the jungles of 2000, you know the days when a Pioneer DVD 2x speed cost $800.

 

At the moment, I can run intensive sample based instruments, like the DIM PRO and Session Drummer Three and multiple instances of these VSTi, in fact I think I had 10 running at once (that is intensive memory hog VSTi) then there were the multiple effects about 30 tracks of cut up audio, a couple of instances of the audio snap pallate and V-Vocal.  And all of this was in Windows Seven 32 bit. 

 

If I can run all of this why?? do I need to take the risk of 64 bit computing??

 

But I have not installed Notion3, I am not sure if they run the samples from the memory or the hard drive, if they run from the memory I will have to look at 64 bit.

 

I am so against 64 bit because for the first time in my musical life (ok from the time I started using computers as instruments) I don't have to be a computer technician (I pulled apart so many machines and tuned XP hundreds of times in the early naughties).  It just works, this is why I don't want to go back to the jungles of 2000 (sounds like a carry on film) and I do really believe that 64 bit computing is like the wild west, yes the railroad will have to link it sooner or later but until then I am not going back to dodge. 

 

Well this was a thread about X1, have still not got around to installing Notion3, am thinking of a full restart of my computer, it's becoming bloated and I am starting to need a sample harddrive and to back everything up.

 

Well as soon as I have anymore X1 news I will post but apart from that Geoff you and I will have to agree to disgree.  As long as we still stay friends.

 

Peace Ben 

Ben, you need to separate your OS from your apps. These are separate stages in the conversion process.

You can run 32-bit apps (Soanar) with all the 32-bit plugins on the 64-bit OS. You won't have to worry about the bridges crashing or incompatibility, provided your hardware drivers are available in 64-bit, as most are by now.

The upgrade to 64-bit consists of hardware, of which most modern hardware is 64-bit, OS and drivers, available in 32 and 64-bit flavours, and applications. You probably already have 64-bit hardware. The choice of OS is the next consideration.

Geoff said:

Ben, you need to separate your OS from your apps. These are separate stages in the conversion process.

You can run 32-bit apps (Soanar) with all the 32-bit plugins on the 64-bit OS. You won't have to worry about the bridges crashing or incompatibility, provided your hardware drivers are available in 64-bit, as most are by now.

The upgrade to 64-bit consists of hardware, of which most modern hardware is 64-bit, OS and drivers, available in 32 and 64-bit flavours, and applications. You probably already have 64-bit hardware. The choice of OS is the next consideration.

Ok I might be wrong about this, hmm I am starting to sound like a luddite.  I will have to do more research but it will still be a while before I go to 64 bit unless like I say, my new orchestral instrument needs it.

 

I've just started to get back into creativity I don't want to have play computer technican, although I am thinking of a complete clean install of my system.

 

Thanks for the heads up Geoff.

 

Peace Ben